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« on: July 06, 2008, 09:08:07 PM »

I wouldn't recommend going off medication but there are some really good tips for insomnia in here,sojo that you can make yourself
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 07:37:33 AM »

they just want you to buy their supplements. unless I missed the tips?
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 08:41:40 AM »

I checked it out too and saw nothing but suggestions for getting off meds, lists of scary side effects, and supplements that you can buy. I absolutely wouldn't recommend it.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 11:30:44 AM »

It seems people get on meds to solve their problems and then start blaming the  meds for their problems--first question is--why get off meds?
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 11:50:18 AM »

It seems people get on meds to solve their problems and then start blaming the  meds for their problems--first question is--why get off meds?

Depends on your perspective, I suppose. Some people think their problems would be solved with medication. They take medication and find it either doesn't solve the problem, or creates greater problems, or maybe it just plain doesn't work.

Separate from the mental health issue, consider something like the cholesterol lowering drugs, statins (I only pick them because they have been in the news so much lately). The evidence that they actually do anything to lower cholesterol is dubious, and the evidence that they can cause even greater health problems (memory loss, muscle pain, kidney failure, etc).

Another example I noticed is getting mainstream coverage now is the HPV vaccination; apparently it's finally coming out that (despite being in the vaccination insert since the beginning) that it only prevent something like 6 of the 140 different types of HPV, actually increases your chance of contracting HPV, and in many cases causes seizures, blood clots, and sometimes even death.

And then we all know of the various blood pressure medications that had to be recalled because they actually cause an increased risk of heart attack, or various other undesirable side effects, without actually preventing high blood pressure.

People are prescribed these drugs by doctors they trust; and in some cases (not all, and maybe not even most) the doctors prescribe the drugs because they think they're the best possible hope for solving the problem. I took the daughter to the doctor once because she was complaining of sore throat and had a history of developing strep throat. Doctor took a look and said "It's a little red, but the strep test is negative. What antibiotics do you want?" I said, "Well if it's not an infection, antibiotics are pointless, so none." I've started to call these types McDoctors; they operate like the drive through at a fast food restaurant. Someone comes to them with a problem and apparently the doctors think they're looking to find the magic pill that makes the problem go away, rather than actually diagnosing what's causing the symptoms. There's a doctor here with a Saturday morning radio show on alternative medicine (mostly just changing your diet/increasing your exercise/finding vitamin supplements to help) that typically comments on the majority of doctors working primarily on triage: someone complains of symptoms, you give them something to make the symptoms go away, rather than treating whatever is causing the symptoms. But, as soon as they stop taking that medication, the symptoms come back, because they haven't treated the underlying problem.

So, I can understand people wanting to get off medications if they're not producing the results they expected, or not treating the underlying problem, or causing side effects that are even worse than the original condition. I don't mind accepting a little baldness if the alternative is a medication that causes kidney failure, dizziness, black outs, and memory loss.

Again, the majority of my experience consists of health problems rather than mental illness, but I'm of the opinion that many of the same principles apply.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 03:54:04 AM »

Well said, Brian. I once had a pdoc who told me "It doesn't matter what your diagnosis is as long as the medication works." Wtf?  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008, 09:48:49 PM »

Well it did say that calcium can help weight loss by 50% and vitamin can slow down weight loss by 50% and also when a natural substance called inulin is mixed with calcium it increases your calcium absorbtion by 38%.. So I found some things benificial from this site not to mention that vitamin C helps anxiety.Protein can nourish your body and take it out of starvation mode.When your body is in starvation mode it won't let go of the weight.When you starve your body your fat cells break in half and double. So I am sorry no one found anything to be of use but I did and I am going to get vitamin and a drink somewhere that contains inulin to increase my calcium absorbtion. I looked on google and found that there is some truth to calcium and weght loss.. I will be sure to take vitamin C now for anxiety. sojo

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2008, 10:16:45 PM »

I didn't mean to suggest this site for the reasons of getting off medication. I went back and realized that the barley product you couldn't do on your own and it was something you needed to buy but I did learn thata good dose of vitamin C can help anxiety. I really don't advocate people getting off their meds. I was only thinking of the tips for anxiety and weight loss and I did find a few on the weight loss site,sojo
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