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Brian
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« on: February 26, 2008, 04:59:33 PM »

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1717306,00.html

Popular antidepressants including Prozac and Paxil have little impact on most patients, according to a comprehensive review of newly released data from trials that were conducted before the drugs were approved in the U.S.

 Researchers from the U.K., U.S. and Canada analyzed results for fluoxetine (better known by the brand name Prozac), venlafaxine (Effexor), nefazodone (Serzone) and paroxetine (Paxil or Seroxat) — all members of a class of drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). The researchers' paper, published this week in the journal PLoS Medicine, claims that only patients who are diagnosed "at the upper end of the very severely depressed category" get any meaningful benefit from the widely prescribed drugs. For the others, the paper says, antidepressants are barely more effective than a placebo (although patients suffering from depression, like those suffering from chronic pain, generally do see a substantial placebo benefit).

There are plenty of studies about antidepressants. What makes this one so important — the results were front-page news across the U.K. on Tuesday — is that the researchers were able to track down comprehensive unpublished trial results from the drug makers themselves before the drugs were authorized for sale in the U.S., and include them in their review of the literature. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) must receive records of all relevant pharmaceutical-company trials, both published and unpublished, before it will approve a drug. Under the Freedom of Information Act, the researchers writing in PLoS Medicine were recently able to obtain those FDA records of industry-sponsored clinical trials. They yield data, they believe, that lets them avoid a bias that often plagues reviews of previous research: the tendency for conclusive positive results to be published, sometimes more than once, and thus over-represented, while mediocre results can be ignored or even swept under the rug.

Drug companies claim the review is still flawed, however. One massive problem: there are many more recent studies than those surveyed in the article, which looked only at pre-approval trials conducted before 1999. Nicholas Francis, a U.K. spokesman for Eli Lilly and Company, which produces Prozac, says that the new study "does not take into account that today more than 12,000 patients have participated in Prozac clinical trials and thousands of scientific papers have referenced Prozac, supporting its use in the treatment of depression." Some 50 million people worldwide have taken Prozac, and in a company statement Lilly said it "is proud of the difference Prozac has made to millions of people living with depression." Similarly, paroxetine producer GlaxoSmithKline warns, "This analysis has only examined a small subset of the total data available ... and this one study should not be used to cause unnecessary alarm and concern for patients." As a spokeswoman for Wyeth, Effexor's maker, points out, these were, after all, the same data the FDA reviewed before approving the drugs for public use.

There are really two issues at the heart of the controversy. One is the difference between "statistical significance" — a measure of whether the drug's effects are reliable, and that patient improvement is not just due to chance — and "clinical significance," whether those effects actually are big enough to make a difference in the life of a patient. The researchers behind this new paper did find that SSRI drugs have a statistically significant impact for most groups of patients: that is, there was some measurable impact on depression compared to the placebo effect. "But a very tiny effect may not have a meaningful difference in a person's life," says Irving Kirsch, lead author on the paper and a professor of psychology at the University of Hull in England. As it happens, only for the most severely depressed patients did that measurable difference meet a U.K. standard for clinical relevance — and that was mostly because the very depressed did not respond as much to placebos. The drug trials showed SSRI patients improved, on average, by 1.8 points on the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale, a common tool to rate symptoms such as low mood, insomnia, and lack of appetite. The U.K. authorities use a drug-placebo difference of three points to determine clinical significance.

The more troubling question concerns what kind of data is appropriate for analyzing a drug's efficacy. The companies are correct in claiming there is far more data available on SSRI drugs now than there was 10 or 20 years ago. But Kirsch maintains that the results he and colleagues reviewed make up "the only data set we have that is not biased." He points out that currently, researchers are not compelled to produce all results to an independent body once the drugs have been approved; but until they are, they must hand over all data. For that reason, while the PLoS Medicine paper data may not be perfect, it may still be among the best we've got.
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 05:11:39 PM »

This is kind of strange to me. I have been on Paxil for seven years. I was horribly depressed and when I started taking Paxil I could actually feel the depression leaving me. It has always been a good med for me and I am not going to stop taking it because a study says it does not work.

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 06:00:38 PM »

I find it ironic that my husband posted this and his mother works for Glaxco. LOL!
Anyhow, there is always some study out there saying something doesn't work. All that matters is what I am on works for me, even if it is an expensive placebo.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 06:48:39 PM »

If one is told by a doctor that a med will take your depression away, one would probably believe the doc and "feel" the depression leaving them. This does not mean that the claim of the placebo effect is false, it actually makes a good argument for it, as if you were given a pill, and not told what it is for, how would you feel then?
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 12:53:15 PM »

It's wonderful when a medication works well!  And for those who find theirs works for them, i think that's great... we are all different, and sometimes have to play the game of hit or miss with meds... i have been on paxil before, and it didn't help me.. but that doesn't mean it won't help Jane or my neighbor. 

I had success with Zoloft and Wellbutrin for over a year with each, until the drug sent me into mania.... and the list of medications i've taken over the last 25 years is too long to mention!  I am terribly sensitive to drugs, and have had a lot of problems.  BUT not everyone is nearly this sensitive.  This might tell you -- vicodin gives me halluicinations... that's how weird my system is.

I have always given the medications a chance to work when i started taking them... if they didn't work in the time-frame suggested by the doctor or pharmaceutical company, i simply talked with my doctor about alternatives.

One of the most fantastic things is when we find something that works well for us! 




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